Perhaps here??

i can't find anything in the a-z section on antibacterials and desinfectants....anyone know where i can get those? Do not use C-3 gas masks as they are faulty, get the american M95, those GOOD!

PLEASE help me out too...i need to know ALL of the spots where all of you guys' have seen ppl spitting and "emptying" so i will refrain from going there until the chinese CDC cleans up those areas....i will set up a live/real time google map for this so yall can be informed....

also alarm all your friend and let them know that the chinese people spitting and emptying is the root cause of all these! thanks for the tip orrin! on behalf of myself and all the locals, we appreciate your news broadcast, since it looks like the chinese media has been omitting some of these information while only concentrating on looking good for the olympics...THANK YOU!

Excuse me, I have to defend Hong Kong, our hygiene standard are much higher.

Well maybe I have to reword the sentence, the original Hong Kong people have a high standard, but we have to re-educate our 'guest'.

Nivek

toliet training is the key....Need toliet training!

I guess that some people cannot handle the truth!

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don't worry orrin, you will accept things differently in a couple more years....meanwhile...live in fear, live in anger, live inside your little box thinking you are superior because you're a toilet trained dog and good luck not getting stabbed by your local neighbors if you're man enough to confront your local untrained neighbors.....

and i was serious about the google spit map...i already "x"ed all zhuhai kfc's....good job me! saved everybody's life! i will even save more lives after i email WHO the cure and full proof prevention for ev71: toilet train the locals...HUAHUAHUAHUA.....let me out of the box!

anyways....i can't find any box openers in a-z, tips anyone?

I just love personal attacks! I guess, because I sometimes point out the obvious truth, I'm a "dog" who lives in a small, but luxurious box, and, on top of that, I'm being threatened with stabbing! Tailvrrey, if you really want to know how much of a man I am, why don't you look me up sometime? I'm very easy to find!

Does this bring back memories of 2003 to anyone?

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSPEK14932320080506?feedTyp...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080506065543.8iyf7olq&show_artic...

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I gave up on this web site weeks ago because my thread labeled "how hard is it to teach the (and here I should have said "some")locals to use the toilet?" (No, I did not take it to heart! I was tired of feeding the trolls) The article I wrote was taken as a rant and I was labeled a racist by some and yet by others I was considered "culturally unaware" thus making it impossible for me to understand "why" some of the Local Chinese would piss, spit and in some cases shit all over the place!

I am not going name names that would be childish! However I do have to stand up right now and say "I TOLD YOU SO!" I lived here through the whole SARS fiasco and I guess the lessons about public sanitation were not learnt then and I will go on record now and say that they are not going to be learnt this time around!

I love China and I want her to develop and take her rightful place in the international community like most other foreigners. I just wish that she would have the courage to admit that maybe there is a problem with public sanitation and that any help, advice or even criticism that comes from the foreigners will be received with an open mind. We all have to live here together!

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." Friedrich Nietzsche

@ Gurrang...

Man, wish Id've known ya. HUGE Kurt Russell fan. Big Trouble in Little China is the second best movie ever...only behind, well, you know...

Oh, I always preferred the Hal Holbrook version of that quote in Wall Street. Heh.

Now go back to your racist, close-minded box! ;)

It is not that hard. You know why Hong Kong's streets are so clean? It's not their moral standard or community awareness. It is 50 hk dollar fine for anyone who throw trash on the street or pee in public. Now imagine if they implement this law in China.

Guys,
You'r just dreaming in your "racist, close-minded box" :))))))))))
Trying not to generalize here,- SOME or better yet- MOST of the locals will not change that easy,and i'm not only talking bout spitting and shitting!!! It should take years and years before something will be different, better, cleaner!
And i dont think there's much we can do about it...
Hopefully the day will come sooner than later though.
Lets just all be very careful since we decided to be here,and God help us!!!

K

@Kitty,.. Better to start now then wait for another SARS don't you think?

But what do I know? I dunno about you.. But I am tired of being labeled a racist or a ranter every time the sanitation topic comes up! And I am tired of xenophobic rants that permeate the threads from people who are not willing to at least have a civil discussion about the problems that we all face in this country that we choose to call home! Public sanitation is a real issue that needs to be addressed. Perhaps if there are enough people talking about it, then maybe some action will get done (one can hope). I think turning a blind eye and hoping for the best is not going to make the problem go away! Look at what happened during the SARS epidemic, they turned a blind eye and it kinda came and bit them on the ... I would not want to see the same thing happen here. I truly believe that the time has come now for some real action to be taken and having an open discourse on the topic is a healthy way to find a solution. What do you think?

I wonder how the locals would react if they saw a big white expat shitting or pissing on the street? Do you guys think they would turn their heads and ignore the expat shitting or pissing on their street?

my eyes are teary.....if this problem has been communicated out this way, less biased way, in the first place, everybody would be more understanding...including me, a xenophobic who cannot have civil discussions....

we are a step closer to the solution today than the day we, i guess mainly myself in many people's eyes, started deviating from the "good cause" of the original post...

China meeting ALL or most of the international standards WILL take time, some will take longer than the others - remember that China is run by Chinese with Chinese mentality, whether we like or not...

to whatup: if i saw that, i would say he/she was drunk or a bum who started wandering in china after he lost his passport and nobody in his/her consulate office can find his/her info in the paperwork after many trials....and them probably posting the incident online (blog, forums) making fun of the situation, and after its has been seen by other expats, and if not worded right, i would get their unfavorable opinions about posting the incident....

i wonder how big white expats would react after seing the incident....

kittens: i know you say that MOST would not change that easily because i believe you would understand why they wouldn't be able to change that easily...if this is the problem, the solution should involve "tool" to make them understand the importance, or something in the line of implementing something to force anyone just do it without them knowing why....
for the many of us who are unaware, china has made many many many new revisions to their health laws and policies...where many of them are being reinforced...not at the rate we would like....wouldn't increased reinforcement be a part of the solution too? anyone up to volunteering in gongbei streets to educate on the situations not meeting the international standards? anyone up lobbying for increased reinforcement of the new laws? anyone up in setting up a new community to improve hygiene in Zhuhai? (if there isn't one up yet...)

How many children have to die before someone in the right office stands up and takes notice? It is obvious to every one that there is a link between this new virus and the current social ideals on public sanitation. The latest numbers have the figure at 36 children in various provinces with that number still to rise as new figures are calculated daily.
Asking every one to "wash their hands" is not going to be enough to help the situation, there needs to be a better way to educate people on the needs for public hygiene and sanitation.

I have an idea and please feel free to add your thoughts as this is a discussion not a RANT, all these "security guards or how do you say "bowai(?)" could be re-educated to enforce stricter rules for the areas that they guard. Instead of just sitting around all day doing nothing (cough), they could be asked to intervene when they see people about the urinate or defecate outside. They could also be told to point people to a public toilet facility. They may even want to start issuing warnings to people, tell the public that it is not ok to be urinating in public. This was an idea I had while I walked by a hotel entrance and watched a security guard stand by whilst a young girl shit on the ground not ten feet away from him. IF it were not for me pointing out that it was perhaps wrong for that girl to be doing what she was doing he would not have done nothing. The Chinese are learning about National pride and that is great! Pride is cleanliness and a clean city for all is also a great thing, come on China you can do it!!!!

When i said "most will not change that easily" -I didnt mean China govt hasnt being doing anything about it...i do see posters on the streets of big cities and hear about laws changing as well,...but i do not see how this is actually working ...especially in smaller towns. Even though I know many locals that been brought up differently and share our “roundeye”point of view on sanitation, still...most people here who used to behaving otherwise-(and that is a lot of people,you all seen it!!!) been doing so for many many years, its their way(pretty disgusting one,if you ask me, but that’s just me living in my box) and they don’t seem to think there’s anything wrong with it at all!
So it might seem harsh- but i think a few children might get sick or even die before parents who allow their kids to urinate on the streets and spit etc will stop doing so.

So,I guess what I meant was- being just a start for real change- its not enough only changing laws , talking about it day and night, or telling a single person off when you catch him/her on the spot –for he/she will turn around and do the same thing again and again elsewhere… The minds need to be changed,the minds of every single individual who recons he’s free to shit,piss and spit at will whether in his own country or not…-and this takes TIME. It is not a matter of pre-Olympics clean up campaign, or a quick fix up ..it is a matter of bringing up whole generations differently,getting idea in their heads that this is wrong to do so period and not because one can get a fine for it.
Yet all of it is still for them to decide. Either they just want to put a show on for the world during the Games, and forget about it the next day,cause they feel cosy enough in their own spit,or will they start thinking on some global changes in education ,life style etc…is still remains to be seen. No doubt they(those "most") can do it(change for better and cleaner i mean), but only if they wanna to themselves and not coz someone's making them- this way it will actually stick:) …Doesn’t happen over night though:(
We just gotta try and set a good example, and look after ourselves better.

Well said Kittens; very well said indeed.

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Well I am sorry to have to break it to all of you but we need to be less P.C. here. Do you have any Chinese friends? Real friends? Then teach them how to really wash hands. That means soap and water, both, every time, past the wrists, not just a token pass at the fingertips. If you are hanging out together, just do it. If someone comes in your house, show them the house rule. This goes for foreign men, too. Preferably not bar soap or that stuff they put in nets in the kindergarten.. I have seen a worker go straight form wiping a kid's butt, to serving food. When I was ayiless for a week the sub was suprised she had to wash each time.- then she dried on her jeans and said it was ok since she had washed the jeans

I mean that foreign men should teach their women how to wash hands.

this is really amusing - the western view of dirty asians. amusing because most people from the indian sub continent think the western custom of using toilet paper instead of water after shitting is unhygienic and dirty.

I never, ever thought I would be turning into my prudish parents, but here goes...can we choose another word other than "shitting?" How about "defecate?" "Number two?" "Talk to a man about a horse." Or, of course, there's always "dropping the kids off at the pool" as my buddy used to say...

But not "shit." Please.

-Prudish Canrun ;)

http://www.angelfire.com/nj3/weirdcrap/poop.html

@Canrun... Can we call it 'going poopoo outside'?

On another note...
I would like to know if there is any relief fund being organized by the expat community for the victims of the Earth quack? I would like to be able to help some how but do not know where to begin.

Man, after a few drinks tonight I see I REALLY need to get that stick out of my arse. Ahem.

Anyhoo..

Try here Gurrang x2:

http://time-blog.com/china_blog/2008/05/sichuan_earthquake_how_to_dona.h...